Curse

Tommy McTom · Oct 25, 2007, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by william1975

i wouldn;t wait around for 10 mins to get some measly gold drops, i have better things to do. Also just because someone has to attend to something important doesnt give anyone the right to go and take their things.

an analogous situation here would be if someone leaves theri home unattended for 10 days because of a family crisis and doesnt get back until 11 days later does that give everyone on their street the right to take everything from their house on the tenth day?

That's a pretty bad analogy considering the law doesn't work that way. However, the game mechanics allow other people to pick up your drops after 10 minutes.

Viruzzz · Oct 25, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by william1975

i wouldn;t wait around for 10 mins to get some measly gold drops, i have better things to do. Also just because someone has to attend to something important doesnt give anyone the right to go and take their things.

an analogous situation here would be if someone leaves theri home unattended for 10 days because of a family crisis and doesnt get back until 11 days later does that give everyone on their street the right to take everything from their house on the tenth day?

the game mechanics are sort of the "law" ingame, and they say that after 10 minutes you can pick up any item the original player didn't pick up. besides, you don't "own" the item until you pick it up.

so you can't compare it like that.

Marth Reynolds · Oct 25, 2007, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Moehaha i guess i'm somewhat evil, in the deep i normally pick up rares if i get the chance ^^

but i mostly give them to the guy/girl it dropped for, unless he/she has been away 30 mins or more without a valid reason

(and with valid i mean a accident happend etc, but not that you had to go eat at 6 pm as usual all of a sudden...)

Harmless · Oct 25, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

It used to be five minutes before drops became unassigned, when did they change that?

Before they changed THK to have fewer mobs, a group that I knew did the mission with a couple of pugs. I had a gold drop but didn't stop fighting to run get it. It would have aggroed a bunch if I had. One of the pugs grabbed the gold when the five minutes was up. He was quite proud of himself.

Lesson learned. When pugs are in a group leroy to your good drops.

SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

I have a fairly solid principle with these things:

#1. If the person is away for 10 minutes and they've left anything behind... whether rare or not... I will loot it.
#2. If they ask for it back, I will give it back to them, and I will not run away from them. If they don't ask then naturally I'll just keep it.
#3. If it was a gold, they'll get it back ID'd.... I consider that the price for them leaving it there for 10 minutes. =P

Fril Estelin · Oct 25, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I have a fairly solid principle with these things:

#1. If the person is away for 20 minutes and they've left anything behind... whether rare or not... I will loot it.
#2. If they ask for it back, I will give it back to them, and I will not run away from them. If they don't ask then naturally I'll just keep it.
#3. If it was a gold, they'll get it back ID'd.... I consider that the price for them leaving it there for 10 minutes. =P

I don't always agree with you (I was going to contribute to the thread on bad English, but well ...), but I must say that it is the sanest approach! Everyone benefits, you if the guy does not ask for the item, him since he's able to get it back. No one feels "abused".

(sometimes I wish there was an "honorable" buff to balance the "dishonorable" hex, but it is NOT something that should be done, as it opens so many problems ...)

I wish that these selfish people were able to see beyond the tip of their feet when they walk. In the end, it will come back at them anyway, though it can be very irritating (I mean, who could foresee your mother cut herself ... no need to report her!

).

moko · Oct 25, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

am i the only one that thinks the fact that his mother is an emo is of higher interest to discuss?

i'd steal your drops, i generally am very unlucky also so any chance to get something free is nice. and if the person would return i'd act like i was a nice person waiting for them in case they dc and save their drops! lol right:<

(emo mum)

Cebe · Oct 25, 2007, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

#1. If the person is away for 20 minutes and they've left anything behind... whether rare or not... I will loot it.
#2. If they ask for it back, I will give it back to them, and I will not run away from them. If they don't ask then naturally I'll just keep it.

Quite right. When I don't pick things up, it means I don't want something. I couldn't care less if someone waits 10 minutes to pick it up. If they're that desperate for the white non-max bow I left...they deserve it for waiting that long like a little trooper. What I don't like though is people who harrass you when you don't pick something up. This seems to happen primarily in Random-group PuGs for the Fissure of Woe. Quite often I've heard people say "if you leave drops can you pick them up and drop them again so I can pick them up?" to which I usually respond "No, if you're that desperate for my waste you can wait 10 mins for it to become unassigned". It's not worth my time to pick it up, let alone pick it up and drop it for the convenience of someone else.

As for the /afk-ness of people...I think there needs to be some etiquette in that, if someone SAYS they're going afk for a few minutes, all drops for them should be left, in particular valuable drops, just out of common courtesy. Likewise if someone looses communication with the server. I wouldn't ever touch anyone's drops anyway (since I don't pick up my own white drops, why should I bother with other people's?) unless they specifically ask me and trust me enough to hold onto something.

Steboy93 · Oct 25, 2007, 12:32 PM // 12:32

Generlly speaking, if somebody didn't pick up there drop after 20mins i would pick it up. The people i have a problem with are the ones which refuse to res you so they can pick up your drops, that is just sad ...

Rushin Roulette · Oct 25, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

(sometimes I wish there was an "honorable" buff to balance the "dishonorable" hex

Honorable buff for 10 minutes opposing mobs do 50% damage to you and can spell complete words

But back on topic;

Thats about what I do aswell Sotico.

1. wait till its unbound pick up and ID if gold
2. if the player asks for it back... they get it if they are still in the party (see exception below).
3. if they dissapear from the party... tough luck (with the exception of someone who says they crashed as its not their fault).
4. If the drop was for a guildy/friend I will ask them if they want it (after IDing and its a good one no matter what the colour... Vent FTW

)

SotiCoto · Oct 25, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

It is interesting to have people agree with me for once... but it is definitely a good thing here. Everybody needs standards of fair play.

And besides... if someone asks for something back that they couldn't get to because real life called for 10 minutes or so... they're not going to like you very much NOR want to team with you again if you deny them it. Believe it or not, I don't much like to rub people up the wrong way if they didn't do anything to deserve it. In the long-run, the cost is far more than the gain.

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Originally Posted by Mokone

am i the only one that thinks the fact that his mother is an emo is of higher interest to discuss?

*Sn!ggers*

Crawling in my skin, these wounds they will not heal.
Much lawlz abounding.

TheRaven · Oct 25, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I have a fairly solid principle with these things:

#1. If the person is away for 10 minutes and they've left anything behind... whether rare or not... I will loot it.
#2. If they ask for it back, I will give it back to them, and I will not run away from them. If they don't ask then naturally I'll just keep it.
#3. If it was a gold, they'll get it back ID'd.... I consider that the price for them leaving it there for 10 minutes. =P

That's a good policy to have.

I will never steal a person's drop. If they are dead with a nice drop on the ground, I will rez them if I'm able. If I'm not able, then I'll do my best to get the drop for them and return it to the player later. I think drop stealers are despicable. Seriously, if you're that desperate for gold that you need to steal or scam from other players, that's pathetic.

I did a mission in the Deep. We split into the 4 rooms at the beginning and a nice gold drop fell for a Necro that was trapped in room 2. It took longer than 10 minutes for the rooms to be cleared and the team to re-group. While we were clearing, one of the warriors snatched the drop. A major argument broke out among the team. The warrior said he's entitled to the drop since the Necro didn't pick it up. The rest of us argued that the Necro never had a chance to reach the drop because of the room split. Worst team I ever went in there with.

On the other hand, I will pick up each and every drop on the ground that I can get my hands on. This is mainly the white and blue junk drops that a lot of players won't bother with. When I do the fow or any other long and involved mission, I'll pick up all expired unwanted drops when we backtrack thru the areas. I don't have a problem with this and I doubt anyone else does either.

Fril Estelin · Oct 25, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

It is interesting to have people agree with me for once... but it is definitely a good thing here.

Alas, it's like the language issue, you cannot force it into other's way of playing (or writing). You can only "behave" and hope people will understand the benefit of it. It's very very easy to spread bad values, stealing calls for more stealing and so on. It takes much more to spread good values. And even if I know that it's a "caricature", there are very often (but not always) such things as good and bad (bear in mind that speaking generally often carries us away from the point).

On the other hand, I wonder whether people would actually ask to give back the drop, maybe some feel intimidated or fear retaliation. And I also imagine that you, playing fair, would encounter angry people ... until they shout at you and you give it back to them (and then it's about whether or not their memory will work at that moment, if not they'll just go back to their "normal" life

).

Rushin Roulette · Oct 25, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

It is interesting to have people agree with me for once...

Well, I will dissagree with that just to keep you happy

But yea, you have to be fair to players if you want to get any form of friendslist together... I dont konw how many times Ive overlooked a green because heros/henchies/players were standing around it and it just dissapeared in the green "mass" (might be an idea to change the green of either party/friendlies or unique weapons to a different colour such as dark blue).

If I see someone gets such a drop I point them to it, or as asid reserve it for them until they can actually pick it up.

Onarik Amrak · Oct 25, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I have a fairly solid principle with these things:

#1. If the person is away for 10 minutes and they've left anything behind... whether rare or not... I will loot it.
#2. If they ask for it back, I will give it back to them, and I will not run away from them. If they don't ask then naturally I'll just keep it.
#3. If it was a gold, they'll get it back ID'd.... I consider that the price for them leaving it there for 10 minutes. =P

That's perfectly reasonable I think.

Big_Iron · Oct 25, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I'm surprised only one person stayed behind to loot the spoils.

TheRaven · Oct 25, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

It is interesting to have people agree with me for once... but it is definitely a good thing here. Everybody needs standards of fair play.

OMG!! I agreed with Soti twice in one day.

(I saw the closed spelling and grammar post and I agree there too).

The world is coming to an end. I'm sure this must be one of the horseman of the apocalypse.